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thanks really enjoyed this, now to riff:

Let us assume that Specious time is short term memory, and also that the logic of punctiform time arises in the record of “long term memory”. But how so?

The question reminds me, as an inverse analogy, of Julian Barbour’s arguments, that time arises when there are enough relations among physical parts that the relations between the majority of parts can be ‘measured’ by the occasion of one more bit. Which, I then guess, this extra bit then acts as the observer. (Barbour reckons the minimum for this to occur is in 3 physical dimensions, with time arising out of relations therein). (We can map more dimensions onto our physics (one for each physical property of various forces) including time, but Barbour says these would not be parsimonious theorising)

Where does this observer record its observations? In the whole system. Why? There is no where else. The observation collapses the observer and observed into the record that is reality passing by. Gone.

“…in the flow of time, in the continuous sinking down into the past, a nonflowing, absolutely fixed, identical, objective time becomes constituted” (section 31)

It is complex because there are so many pieces performing their roles as bit-parts, both observing and moving, and recording and moving, and being recorded as they collapse into the record past (Husserl’s sediment of de-centering…. ghosts of christmas past)(which en masse, as a commodity (again) allows stratigraphy and then reading it in taphonomy).

I imagine the variation in the experience of time arises in this complexity of relations and thus time as its own dimension is an over-reading of our limited experience (anthropocentric but bad),

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We have this reality 'ere because we reiterate this basic schema, it would be hard to bracket this with any success, or at least, with any sense that success would mean anything to us outside our meaningfully dependent ways and means. Here, in my use of Barbour, inversely, we find the subjective in the objective, even though it means we finds ourselves, once more charging into the breach.

Which is as it should be if object-ly true and will be true is subject-ly observed.

The objective reality intersubjectively arises into time.

The human world Husserl starts with a bracket or two, thus begins in, and is, a gastrulation. The POV, or “observation” as consciousness is a johnny-come-lately and not constitutive of reality, but only as of the world which intersubjectively re-iterates the moment of creation, and so says into that originary moment, we have always been here. Which is, unfortunately, neither true nor a lie. The record is deep. We begin again.

(for anyone following tis comment, (!?!) my reading of Julian Barbour is found in a subsection of the following linkpost page https://whyweshould.loofs-samorzewski.com/janus-ratio-whats-the-point/ )

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