Does Spengler think change = death, and many die because they get old (exhausted), that change is like getting old but not like growing up?? I agree it goes in all directions at once when populations and metapopulations are view in interaction, hey townie, there is something else going on here as well.
Yes, there is some root or hoof ratio/analogy between life cycles and the aggregates of them we see in the world and come to label as civilisations/peoples but it is a hasty judgement to feel because we (each alone or as a kind of lifestyle) die the world will. Our world perhaps disappears when a language goes extinct, but the world existed before we came into it, it may well do so afterwards, particularly if we world well among ourselves ( I have found my peace with the gobbler languages: English, Spanish, Russian, Arabic, Mandarin etc.)
I've been thinking about the recent confirmation of some element of genetic background from the Americas on Polynesian-settled Easter Island before Euro-contact, we can see a more interesting story than Jared Diamonds all ecology is island ecology. The was some exchange, there was some trade (chickens for sweet potatoe).
Now how much of a merger/trade/conquest/absorption this is may well have to be calculated according to some scale we have yet to invent. It would have to be a graph of multiple dimensions, invasion in one corner, absorption in another corner (anglonormans more Irish than the Irish, the Manchu more Chinese than the Chinese), an axis of ongoing trade even as it verges into piracy and raiding (cattle-raid of Cooley / viking as slave traders exploiting trade routs other groups set up). (Surely this is better than discoursing like I do on all this mess.)
Notes to self: Complexity arises between the often separately ramifying pathways of ① the life cycle as governed by reproductive bottlenecks, which culture leapfrogs and even ignores when it goes through non-related band/trade/religions members, and ② the life cycle of the vector of those genetics and cultural transmissions… —the body and person of the self who worlds.
[We've learned that X and Y chromosome can have very different geographic pathways across a continent, the taphonomy of which is hard to read in their current populations.]
It is complexity that allows the notion of progress to exist as a line pointing up to the moon, as the crypto-stonks boosters say, in reverse we have degeneration and exhaustion, which increasing complexity also allows as a pathway across this solution space,
So part of the measure of that graph would have to be a measure of complexity (perhaps available memory) and thus its attendant entropy (energy use) (following Julian Barbour's argument that complexity/entropy are in ratio),
I would judge good worlding as maximising the safety and quantity and quality of the memory systems (cybernetic or not), and bad worlding would fuck it up. (It would give almost independent measures for isolate groups like Easter Islander & Tasmanians) (modeling test cases?)
Further I would argument that empathy is important to this if it is part of the boost towards modernity and escape from primate social hierarchies as the hypothesis of the Egalitarian revolution of the paleolithic would suggest.
I am a librarian who realises our library systems are about systematising empathy for the future users, whose use-cases we cannot even guess. That's why libraries are not just a pile of books.
Thanks for making me aware of this. I will put in a request. Because I know that many prefer to listen rather than read I started recording videos and podcasts, but my newsletters so far remain in written form.
Does Spengler think change = death, and many die because they get old (exhausted), that change is like getting old but not like growing up?? I agree it goes in all directions at once when populations and metapopulations are view in interaction, hey townie, there is something else going on here as well.
Yes, there is some root or hoof ratio/analogy between life cycles and the aggregates of them we see in the world and come to label as civilisations/peoples but it is a hasty judgement to feel because we (each alone or as a kind of lifestyle) die the world will. Our world perhaps disappears when a language goes extinct, but the world existed before we came into it, it may well do so afterwards, particularly if we world well among ourselves ( I have found my peace with the gobbler languages: English, Spanish, Russian, Arabic, Mandarin etc.)
I've been thinking about the recent confirmation of some element of genetic background from the Americas on Polynesian-settled Easter Island before Euro-contact, we can see a more interesting story than Jared Diamonds all ecology is island ecology. The was some exchange, there was some trade (chickens for sweet potatoe).
Now how much of a merger/trade/conquest/absorption this is may well have to be calculated according to some scale we have yet to invent. It would have to be a graph of multiple dimensions, invasion in one corner, absorption in another corner (anglonormans more Irish than the Irish, the Manchu more Chinese than the Chinese), an axis of ongoing trade even as it verges into piracy and raiding (cattle-raid of Cooley / viking as slave traders exploiting trade routs other groups set up). (Surely this is better than discoursing like I do on all this mess.)
Notes to self: Complexity arises between the often separately ramifying pathways of ① the life cycle as governed by reproductive bottlenecks, which culture leapfrogs and even ignores when it goes through non-related band/trade/religions members, and ② the life cycle of the vector of those genetics and cultural transmissions… —the body and person of the self who worlds.
[We've learned that X and Y chromosome can have very different geographic pathways across a continent, the taphonomy of which is hard to read in their current populations.]
It is complexity that allows the notion of progress to exist as a line pointing up to the moon, as the crypto-stonks boosters say, in reverse we have degeneration and exhaustion, which increasing complexity also allows as a pathway across this solution space,
So part of the measure of that graph would have to be a measure of complexity (perhaps available memory) and thus its attendant entropy (energy use) (following Julian Barbour's argument that complexity/entropy are in ratio),
I would judge good worlding as maximising the safety and quantity and quality of the memory systems (cybernetic or not), and bad worlding would fuck it up. (It would give almost independent measures for isolate groups like Easter Islander & Tasmanians) (modeling test cases?)
Further I would argument that empathy is important to this if it is part of the boost towards modernity and escape from primate social hierarchies as the hypothesis of the Egalitarian revolution of the paleolithic would suggest.
I am a librarian who realises our library systems are about systematising empathy for the future users, whose use-cases we cannot even guess. That's why libraries are not just a pile of books.
Please consider enabling TTS. I prefer passively listening as I do other things in general, it's more enjoyable. Cheers
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Thanks for making me aware of this. I will put in a request. Because I know that many prefer to listen rather than read I started recording videos and podcasts, but my newsletters so far remain in written form.