Now I have read some Marc Bloch. No doubt by some accident.
" abstraction comes very late in the development of human thought"
This made my head spin on its two faces. A Janus jitter. I will riff away.
One of the reasons I talk of "the blur" is that it can be seen, in part, as an consideration of the inchoate but considered intentions of mind: as least as leads, as possibilities which we latterly farm out into categories: (concrete/abstract\\abstract/concrete) but sucks them back into a hold-that-thought, without it collapsing out like an eigen value wavelet.
For example, our later "abstract" descriptions of a prior (time/mentality) describes the priors as "concrete", whereas in this "prior" epoch, they may not distinguish any difference between (concrete/abstract\\abstract/concrete).
Such that 'concrete' as a term is itself subsequent to that (abstract mentality) which says the concrete is the more primordial. (This is very abstract if not complex.) This is not to say prior times/mentalities were abstract/concrete or not, but there was no frame to talk of experience/practice/parenthood in these ways. The frame comes later, the types are a blur. It is the frame which is not prior (I find it difficult to state this in the positive for : see tetralemma).
As parents we see the naive child, the naive do not see themselves, nor anyone, that way. The parent always comes before the child, just as the child grows into the adult. This relationship of relationships (child/parent\\parent/child) is a contronym which structures our ability to understand [abstractly or concretely or not or not both/either]. < insert Kierkegaard quote about living forward, understanding backwards>
Golden ages are a back-projection of this lost childhood, a doubled-down hindsight. Nostalgia for times gone by we never experienced.
In Aus. Aboriginal dreaming those past times are present and remain in blur. It is a complex POV if not at all abstract. But now lost they become mourned, they abstract themselves into nostalgia and mentalities of survival. The past is not a child, not then, not now. We have always been here they say. Because before we were here there was anybody. Noobody here with our mentality -- a common meme c.f. terra nullius when colonising/worldbuilding/empiring instead of worlding/(dreaming?).
Thus the blur is behind us (abstract/concrete --because the abstract mentality comes first, i.e.e before the concrete can be label such in hindsight, and then the abstract says this concrete is prior to its notice in real history,(concrete/abstract) -- this is a two-faced incommensurability, but is also true, not of truth, but of a historical record. The truth, as I have outlines above, simply confuses things, if not the truth.
Yes, Virginia, they lied about shooting horses. Anyway, it was just a starting gun.
The 'subsequent' in any case (concrete/abstract\\abstract/concrete) is only differentiable in hindsight, we often call that order, but it is so often actually ahead of us. We can see them as concretely different, but this would mean nothing to them in the concrete prior, not just because calling such a world as concrete is an abstract thing to do (it requires some recursion, some iteration, some concrete repetition), and so is unavailable. But in the blur it is possible, otherwise we would have never got here.
(side note -- blame/credit and causality need further emotional investigation with reference to our Truth logicks per se)
Thus the bur is ahead of us, as we consider ourselves child to the future, instead of parents to tomorrow. Aus. Aboriginal dreaming responsibilities often alternate cohorts as generations, the child/parent\\parent/child relations are tightly bound. It is complex and will look (metaphorically) abstract from within and concrete from without.
Mentality/frame/story/dreaming/order. Emotional logicks and their laziness in holding their horses back from the gap (i.e. failing to hold their horses) (to use a Greek metaphor to explain human consciousness with chariot memes, because their mentality/time lacked widespread clockwork, or computers, or quantum mechanics, and chariots were still cool)
Now I have read some Marc Bloch. No doubt by some accident.
" abstraction comes very late in the development of human thought"
This made my head spin on its two faces. A Janus jitter. I will riff away.
One of the reasons I talk of "the blur" is that it can be seen, in part, as an consideration of the inchoate but considered intentions of mind: as least as leads, as possibilities which we latterly farm out into categories: (concrete/abstract\\abstract/concrete) but sucks them back into a hold-that-thought, without it collapsing out like an eigen value wavelet.
For example, our later "abstract" descriptions of a prior (time/mentality) describes the priors as "concrete", whereas in this "prior" epoch, they may not distinguish any difference between (concrete/abstract\\abstract/concrete).
Such that 'concrete' as a term is itself subsequent to that (abstract mentality) which says the concrete is the more primordial. (This is very abstract if not complex.) This is not to say prior times/mentalities were abstract/concrete or not, but there was no frame to talk of experience/practice/parenthood in these ways. The frame comes later, the types are a blur. It is the frame which is not prior (I find it difficult to state this in the positive for : see tetralemma).
As parents we see the naive child, the naive do not see themselves, nor anyone, that way. The parent always comes before the child, just as the child grows into the adult. This relationship of relationships (child/parent\\parent/child) is a contronym which structures our ability to understand [abstractly or concretely or not or not both/either]. < insert Kierkegaard quote about living forward, understanding backwards>
Golden ages are a back-projection of this lost childhood, a doubled-down hindsight. Nostalgia for times gone by we never experienced.
In Aus. Aboriginal dreaming those past times are present and remain in blur. It is a complex POV if not at all abstract. But now lost they become mourned, they abstract themselves into nostalgia and mentalities of survival. The past is not a child, not then, not now. We have always been here they say. Because before we were here there was anybody. Noobody here with our mentality -- a common meme c.f. terra nullius when colonising/worldbuilding/empiring instead of worlding/(dreaming?).
Thus the blur is behind us (abstract/concrete --because the abstract mentality comes first, i.e.e before the concrete can be label such in hindsight, and then the abstract says this concrete is prior to its notice in real history,(concrete/abstract) -- this is a two-faced incommensurability, but is also true, not of truth, but of a historical record. The truth, as I have outlines above, simply confuses things, if not the truth.
Yes, Virginia, they lied about shooting horses. Anyway, it was just a starting gun.
The 'subsequent' in any case (concrete/abstract\\abstract/concrete) is only differentiable in hindsight, we often call that order, but it is so often actually ahead of us. We can see them as concretely different, but this would mean nothing to them in the concrete prior, not just because calling such a world as concrete is an abstract thing to do (it requires some recursion, some iteration, some concrete repetition), and so is unavailable. But in the blur it is possible, otherwise we would have never got here.
(side note -- blame/credit and causality need further emotional investigation with reference to our Truth logicks per se)
Thus the bur is ahead of us, as we consider ourselves child to the future, instead of parents to tomorrow. Aus. Aboriginal dreaming responsibilities often alternate cohorts as generations, the child/parent\\parent/child relations are tightly bound. It is complex and will look (metaphorically) abstract from within and concrete from without.
Mentality/frame/story/dreaming/order. Emotional logicks and their laziness in holding their horses back from the gap (i.e. failing to hold their horses) (to use a Greek metaphor to explain human consciousness with chariot memes, because their mentality/time lacked widespread clockwork, or computers, or quantum mechanics, and chariots were still cool)
Good night.